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Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:08:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Disposable Meat wrote:Trying making a new char with a laser and see how easy it is to be "OP" with it.
Sometimes people are just better than you.
People calling for nerfs on things that they have no personal experience with is infuriating. LOL I did this....it was easypeasy and laughable. I dont really like lasers that much as I prefer more CQC battles but it was still laughably easy....and that was with just standard laser. If the heatup was changed such that it overheated by after about 40-50 rounds (with only 1 skill lvl in it) then that would probably go along way to balancing it without even having to touch the other things like the increased damage over firing time. Some people are just too worried about protecting their gun from being properly balanced because they are afraid that CCP will bring the nerf hammer like they have done on most things. So instead they are willing to argue that there is no imbalance using arguments that have already time and time again been proven false.
every weapon in the game (aside from Nova Knives) is laughably easy when used correctly at it's optimum range. By your logic, every gun in the game needs nerfed. Sounds to me like you just don't want any weapons that you don't regularly used nerfed into ineffectiveness. |
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:48:00 -
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Tamuramu wrote:Jayquan18 wrote:If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range. The LR should not be nerfed in Accuracy nor in Clip size. Instead the damage should be tweaked. I have killed so many people in less then a few seconds with the LR. Sometimes they don't even have a chance to fire back before I kill them.
And this is different than EVERY OTHER GUN how exactly? Have you considered the possibilty that you're just not very good with the other weapons yet? Every weapon is more than capable of this same feat.
semperfi1999 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:
every weapon in the game (aside from Nova Knives) is laughably easy when used correctly at it's optimum range. By your logic, every gun in the game needs nerfed. Sounds to me like you just don't want any weapons that you don't regularly used nerfed into ineffectiveness.
Considering you can just swipe over a target and do massive amounts of dmg (a knick from the viziam does 250-300 dmg) this is a little extreme. But hey if it doesnt get nerfed that just means most people will eventually move to it. I love how practically everyone said that ARs needed the nerf that they got (i agree with recoil but thats another matter) but heck no we should not touch the weapon that you prefer to use.
Yes, if you perfectly time your swipe right at the end of the heat build, you do a bunch of damage... almost as much as a mid-level niper Rifle, and roughly as much as a shotgun of the same level. OTOH, if you aren't careful while doing so, you kill yourself... oh, and they have to be at the perfect optimal range... and you've been firing the laser for a few seconds already, giving everyone in the area a bead on EXACTLY where you are (it's quite literally a giant LASER POINTER on your position)... and it does **** damage at most other weapons best ranges... get the idea yet?
Also, I don't know why you keep insisting that anyone who doesn't agree with you on the LR must use it as their primary weapon. It's a ridiculous straw man, and just goes to show that you aren't ACTUALLY interested in having a discussion on the issue and considering the oposing viewpoint. I have 1 lvl of Laser Rifle, just like I have 1 lvl in almost every other weapon available (I've even got a level of nova knives) and I have probably used the LR for a combined total of 3 minutes so far this build. |
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Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire.
Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so.
Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. |
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Enkidu Camuel wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf.
Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for.
For the record, I do actually think the viziam is a tad bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. |
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:51:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do, actually think the viziam is a bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. Let me set this straight. The Viziam is a f***ing prototype gun. If a proto gun isn't OP, then wtf is it doing?
I think I generally agree with you, and I'm of the opinion that the game is pretty close to balanced right now. However, I've seen a few run downs of the actual damage numbers, and it seems that when they nerfed all the other proto weapons they didn't even touch the viziam. Resulting in a more pronounced jump from the ELM to the Viziam than any other Adv -> Proto. This alone is the ONLY reason I say the viziam could do with a minor nerf. If it helps to ease the tide of the nerfhorde, then it's a compromise I think the more level headed of us should be willing to concede. |
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:58:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Baal Roo wrote:
I think I generally agree with you, and I'm of the opinion that the game is pretty close to balanced right now. However, I've seen a few run downs of the actual damage numbers, and it seems that when they nerfed all the other proto weapons they didn't even touch the viziam. Resulting in a more pronounced jump from the ELM to the Viziam than any other Adv -> Proto. This alone is the ONLY reason I say the viziam could do with a minor nerf. If it helps to ease the tide of the nerfhorde, then it's a compromise I think the more level headed of us should be willing to concede.
But why nerf this gun? Why not buff the others?
Because it's easier to fix 1 gun to match the others than it is to buff all the others to match the 1. Furthermore, they already intentionally nerfed all the others, so why would we assume they would be in a hurry to put them back the way they were?
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do actually think the viziam is a tad bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. No, do you realize the cost of the viziam? 86k, add that to your suit and you'll be lucky to break even isk wise after 2 deaths in a match. Don't be a fool, using the Viziam is a huge iskvsreward.
Don't use prototype weapons in instant battles unless you intend to lose money.
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:25:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Baal Roo wrote:
Don't use prototype weapons in instant battles unless you intend to lose money.
Who says I lose more then 2? After the one and I've gotten 10 or so kills I switch to my elm suit and finish the game. Point is it should have way more damage at the price and skill level as well as fitting costs.
I disagree, and I don't see where you have made an argument to back up your opinion here. As far as I can tell, your reasoning is "just cuz". Care to elaborate on why prototype gear should be viable for pick up pub matches? |
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